Posted on: 04/29/26 04:16AM
lozertuser said:
AI can not create new ideas. Yet. Once AI makes a new idea, and can do it consistently, then everything is moot.
Hard disagree on this one. If you view it in the post-modernist "author is dead", "only thing that matters is that I enjoy it" consumer mindset that is the most common view today, and the most common mindset pro-AI people have, these so-called "ideas" are nothing more than short form text that is sufficiently different from things that are commonly circulating so that it feels "fresh" and "exciting", but sufficiently close that it feels "relevant" and "touching". A properly prompted AI fed with the proper data and feedback loop (so it can iterate) could generate "ideas" like that no problem, and most people would eat it up.
If you hook it all up to social media:
- crawl to see what topics and styles are popular
- imitate it
- use the feedback to cull the unsuccessful instances and to guide the successful ones
This is what the entertainment industry does anyway, just with human "creative agents". The measurement side has been automated and industrialized for decades by now. Now, generators are good enough that you can slot them into this flow (like, a "Shousetsuka ni Narou" kinda selector and feedback platform, just for all AI), and push humans out of the loop completely.
The only barrier is consistency over long-form content. I'd say that for short text (poetry, etc.), single pictures and music they are now "good" enough, so you can automate your average single-picture fan artist, your average rock band, or your average poet. Given feedback and a proper selection algorithm, you could iterate enough to produce something that in a vacuum, is perceived as "great art".
If you do not postulate from the axioms up that humans are necessary for art, the "muh idea and artistic vision" people are trying, but I don't see any way to save this argument. Humans are fallible. If something operates at a resolution that is below our senses, that will trick us. Like the analog vs digital transition: at some point, it got good enough that you physically cannot hear or see the difference. Even purely random patterns with no rhyme or reason can trick us into seeing meaning into it, that's how our brain is wired.
We now face the situation that we have built machines that can reproduce statistical patterns of all kinds so well, that we cannot tell the difference; they operate at a resolution that can trick us. "Ideas" are no different, as they are just text with specific semantic meaning from the viewpoint of the reader.